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		<title>By: Victoria</title>
		<link>http://chichimama.com/2008/02/28/the-one-in-which-my-inner-republican-comes-out/#comment-536</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Victoria]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 14:11:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;I am also frequently floored by the number of wealthy, well educated people I run into whose child clearly needs some sort of support, be it academic or emotional, who shrug...&quot;

I run into these people all the time, in a variety of work-social-settings (ironically, not in the school-social-settings.  hmm) and it Drives. Me. Nuts.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I am also frequently floored by the number of wealthy, well educated people I run into whose child clearly needs some sort of support, be it academic or emotional, who shrug&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>I run into these people all the time, in a variety of work-social-settings (ironically, not in the school-social-settings.  hmm) and it Drives. Me. Nuts.</p>
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		<title>By: BeachMama</title>
		<link>http://chichimama.com/2008/02/28/the-one-in-which-my-inner-republican-comes-out/#comment-487</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BeachMama]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 20:41:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Interesting topic of conversation.  We do have similar systems (US vs. Canada) and very similar problems that go along with it.  Funding here does depend on enrollment, so the more students you have the more you get.  And the number of people who feel they are entitled to a certain service just because is equally as astounding.

I also know far too many people who abuse the system.  It would be great if we could all get stuff for free but we can&#039;t.  I, for one, would rather pay for a service so that someone who does need it gets it.  Unfortunately, far too often, people who shouldn&#039;t get the service does and the ones who need go without.  Leaving our school to ask for extra donations to help the ones without.  It is all just a vicious circle.

A very interesting topic though, I enjoy hearing it from our neighbors to the South.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting topic of conversation.  We do have similar systems (US vs. Canada) and very similar problems that go along with it.  Funding here does depend on enrollment, so the more students you have the more you get.  And the number of people who feel they are entitled to a certain service just because is equally as astounding.</p>
<p>I also know far too many people who abuse the system.  It would be great if we could all get stuff for free but we can&#8217;t.  I, for one, would rather pay for a service so that someone who does need it gets it.  Unfortunately, far too often, people who shouldn&#8217;t get the service does and the ones who need go without.  Leaving our school to ask for extra donations to help the ones without.  It is all just a vicious circle.</p>
<p>A very interesting topic though, I enjoy hearing it from our neighbors to the South.</p>
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		<title>By: Katie</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Katie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 19:28:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s our whole American idea of entitlement. We think we deserve everything handed to us.  A while back we saw something on some Dateline-ish program about why European public schools are so much better than ours and it really made me mad. Our schools are constrained so much by our teacher&#039;s union. In many European countries, the public schools have to compete for students, and hence the funding that goes along with them. Their schools are so much better because they know that if they slack off their funding goes away - a little bit like a voucher system. A little healthy competition would make such a world of difference for our public schools but our unions are so powerful it could never happen here.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s our whole American idea of entitlement. We think we deserve everything handed to us.  A while back we saw something on some Dateline-ish program about why European public schools are so much better than ours and it really made me mad. Our schools are constrained so much by our teacher&#8217;s union. In many European countries, the public schools have to compete for students, and hence the funding that goes along with them. Their schools are so much better because they know that if they slack off their funding goes away &#8211; a little bit like a voucher system. A little healthy competition would make such a world of difference for our public schools but our unions are so powerful it could never happen here.</p>
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		<title>By: chichimama</title>
		<link>http://chichimama.com/2008/02/28/the-one-in-which-my-inner-republican-comes-out/#comment-485</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[chichimama]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 12:38:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I thought about this more in the middle of the night, and I&#039;m going to try and explain my position a bit more.

In an ideal word, public education would be absolutely free for everyone, and it would be a fabulous education that met the needs of every child.  In reality, that is impossible.  Providing a top notch education for every child is expensive, and tax dollars are spread very thin.  In many communities, taxpayers are refusing to vote for additional spending on education, requiring school districts to slash budgets as best they can while trying to maintain educational quality.

Given the realities of the current educational system and the limited resources available, I personally wouldn&#039;t be upset if asked to contribute to any additional services my child required, because if the school district wasn&#039;t going to offer them I would be paying for them anyway.  

For example, next year my son wants to take up a musical instrument.  Because of budget constraints, in order for him to do that at school I will need to pay for the lessons.  Would I prefer that they were free?  Absolutely.  But will I refuse him music lessons because I have to pay for them?  No.  And would I be willing to pay a little extra to ensure that another student whose family couldn&#039;t pay for them is able to take lessons?  Yes.  And do I think that more resources should be diverted to communities where parents are not able to pay for &quot;extra&quot; services?  Yes.

I know that many people would disagree with me on this point, but to me, given the realities of the funding stream for the public educational system, I think that it is the best way to try and ensure that everyone has access to an adequate education.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought about this more in the middle of the night, and I&#8217;m going to try and explain my position a bit more.</p>
<p>In an ideal word, public education would be absolutely free for everyone, and it would be a fabulous education that met the needs of every child.  In reality, that is impossible.  Providing a top notch education for every child is expensive, and tax dollars are spread very thin.  In many communities, taxpayers are refusing to vote for additional spending on education, requiring school districts to slash budgets as best they can while trying to maintain educational quality.</p>
<p>Given the realities of the current educational system and the limited resources available, I personally wouldn&#8217;t be upset if asked to contribute to any additional services my child required, because if the school district wasn&#8217;t going to offer them I would be paying for them anyway.  </p>
<p>For example, next year my son wants to take up a musical instrument.  Because of budget constraints, in order for him to do that at school I will need to pay for the lessons.  Would I prefer that they were free?  Absolutely.  But will I refuse him music lessons because I have to pay for them?  No.  And would I be willing to pay a little extra to ensure that another student whose family couldn&#8217;t pay for them is able to take lessons?  Yes.  And do I think that more resources should be diverted to communities where parents are not able to pay for &#8220;extra&#8221; services?  Yes.</p>
<p>I know that many people would disagree with me on this point, but to me, given the realities of the funding stream for the public educational system, I think that it is the best way to try and ensure that everyone has access to an adequate education.</p>
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		<title>By: chichimama</title>
		<link>http://chichimama.com/2008/02/28/the-one-in-which-my-inner-republican-comes-out/#comment-484</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[chichimama]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 03:32:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[JWG,

I agree and disagree with you all at the same time.  I have a hard time imagining that the woman I mentioned would actually receive the services she was requesting.  It was more the concept that she thought she was entitled to them that floored me.

I am not in any way saying that school districts should not be providing additional services.  In fact I strongly believe that they should.  And I also strongly believe that those who cannot afford to pay for such services, be they AP courses or special education assistance, should have access to them.  But I also believe that there is a limit to what public dollars can provide without  requiring an unreasonable tax burden on everyone.

For me personally, I view my taxes as a way to help even the playing field for those who do not have access to the resources that I do, as well as to pay for services such as policing, fire services, and the provision of things such as wheelchair ramps and other such services that benefit society as a whole.

If my children qualified for AP coursework, and if I were asked to contribute towards the cost of it, and if I were financially able to do so, I wouldn&#039;t blink an eye.  I would also expect that those who could not contribute financially would have the exact same access.

There are no easy answers to these questions.  If there were politics would be an extinct profession.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JWG,</p>
<p>I agree and disagree with you all at the same time.  I have a hard time imagining that the woman I mentioned would actually receive the services she was requesting.  It was more the concept that she thought she was entitled to them that floored me.</p>
<p>I am not in any way saying that school districts should not be providing additional services.  In fact I strongly believe that they should.  And I also strongly believe that those who cannot afford to pay for such services, be they AP courses or special education assistance, should have access to them.  But I also believe that there is a limit to what public dollars can provide without  requiring an unreasonable tax burden on everyone.</p>
<p>For me personally, I view my taxes as a way to help even the playing field for those who do not have access to the resources that I do, as well as to pay for services such as policing, fire services, and the provision of things such as wheelchair ramps and other such services that benefit society as a whole.</p>
<p>If my children qualified for AP coursework, and if I were asked to contribute towards the cost of it, and if I were financially able to do so, I wouldn&#8217;t blink an eye.  I would also expect that those who could not contribute financially would have the exact same access.</p>
<p>There are no easy answers to these questions.  If there were politics would be an extinct profession.</p>
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		<title>By: jwg</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jwg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 02:10:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If you follow your thinking to its logical conclusion then we would be asking parents to pay for anything their child requires that is not &quot;average&quot; in school. There would be no AP Courses, kids would not go to State Championships in sports or All-State Music festivals. Special Ed kids would get no support services and kids in wheelchairs would have to navigate without ramps. Making parents pay might also lead to a system where the quality of the services is based on the ability to pay. We&#039;ve seen how well that works in medicine!                                                                                     Yes, there are people who try and take advantage of the system and there needs to be a way to weed them out. I doubt seriously that the child who does not like school will qualify for services and if she does there is something going on that you don&#039;t know about.
What does make sense is for the school districts to be able to file claims with the insurance companies for services such as OT, PT or Speech. They would have a much better chance of collecting than individual parents trying to navigate the system]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you follow your thinking to its logical conclusion then we would be asking parents to pay for anything their child requires that is not &#8220;average&#8221; in school. There would be no AP Courses, kids would not go to State Championships in sports or All-State Music festivals. Special Ed kids would get no support services and kids in wheelchairs would have to navigate without ramps. Making parents pay might also lead to a system where the quality of the services is based on the ability to pay. We&#8217;ve seen how well that works in medicine!                                                                                     Yes, there are people who try and take advantage of the system and there needs to be a way to weed them out. I doubt seriously that the child who does not like school will qualify for services and if she does there is something going on that you don&#8217;t know about.<br />
What does make sense is for the school districts to be able to file claims with the insurance companies for services such as OT, PT or Speech. They would have a much better chance of collecting than individual parents trying to navigate the system</p>
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		<title>By: Grandmere</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Grandmere]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 19:29:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My grandson was treated privately for his speech problems. He would have qualified for Special Ed but it meant a waiting list and seeing that he was almost three, it was decided not to wait.

Too many people abuse the system that was put in place for people who do not have the means to get the necessary help for their children.  Too many people &quot;work&quot; the system.  I was disgusted by it when I was teaching and as a parent and grandparent I am still disgusted by people who will not assume responsibility for their children&#039;s needs.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My grandson was treated privately for his speech problems. He would have qualified for Special Ed but it meant a waiting list and seeing that he was almost three, it was decided not to wait.</p>
<p>Too many people abuse the system that was put in place for people who do not have the means to get the necessary help for their children.  Too many people &#8220;work&#8221; the system.  I was disgusted by it when I was teaching and as a parent and grandparent I am still disgusted by people who will not assume responsibility for their children&#8217;s needs.</p>
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		<title>By: patois</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[patois]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 13:36:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Amen, sister! I&#039;d vote for you, even if you were a Republican. We spent a small fortune to ensure our daughter&#039;s central auditory processing issues were dealt with quickly and ably. For her to qualify for assistance at school, she needed to be at least 8 to receive the formal diagnosis. We started her when she was 5 because, first and foremost, why the hell would we wait that long? So we can&#039;t afford France. I don&#039;t speak the language anyway.

Yes, there are kids who really need help with families without our resources. And, sadly, yes, there are those people whose only goal seems to be to get something for nothing. &#039;Cause it&#039;s all about them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen, sister! I&#8217;d vote for you, even if you were a Republican. We spent a small fortune to ensure our daughter&#8217;s central auditory processing issues were dealt with quickly and ably. For her to qualify for assistance at school, she needed to be at least 8 to receive the formal diagnosis. We started her when she was 5 because, first and foremost, why the hell would we wait that long? So we can&#8217;t afford France. I don&#8217;t speak the language anyway.</p>
<p>Yes, there are kids who really need help with families without our resources. And, sadly, yes, there are those people whose only goal seems to be to get something for nothing. &#8216;Cause it&#8217;s all about them.</p>
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		<title>By: onetiredema</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 13:23:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You know our whole saga. Anyway, I was lucky to find a spot in the college clinic, but you can rest assured that had I not, we would have sought private therapy. Once we had a diagnosis, it seemed completely irresponsible as parents to hang around waiting until NY state decided that AM should qualify...in 3/6/12 months/ever? Of course we have the luxury of *not* waiting. And since the clinic comes on the very cheap, at the end of the semester we have the further luxury of then deciding whether or not to spend the summer in private therapy.

Frankly, I found the whole EI qualification process pretty disheartening. I was suspect from the get go because I had referred AM myself. Even moreso when someone I met later (after he hadn&#039;t qualified), who worked for an agency that does the evals, told me that &quot;the case workers have no idea what they&#039;re&quot; doing, and indeed, there was an appeal process that she did not tell us about.

Something is broken somewhere. But not liking school? Do your homework--figure out what&#039;s wrong and/or find a new school. Why would she think that special education is the answer?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know our whole saga. Anyway, I was lucky to find a spot in the college clinic, but you can rest assured that had I not, we would have sought private therapy. Once we had a diagnosis, it seemed completely irresponsible as parents to hang around waiting until NY state decided that AM should qualify&#8230;in 3/6/12 months/ever? Of course we have the luxury of *not* waiting. And since the clinic comes on the very cheap, at the end of the semester we have the further luxury of then deciding whether or not to spend the summer in private therapy.</p>
<p>Frankly, I found the whole EI qualification process pretty disheartening. I was suspect from the get go because I had referred AM myself. Even moreso when someone I met later (after he hadn&#8217;t qualified), who worked for an agency that does the evals, told me that &#8220;the case workers have no idea what they&#8217;re&#8221; doing, and indeed, there was an appeal process that she did not tell us about.</p>
<p>Something is broken somewhere. But not liking school? Do your homework&#8211;figure out what&#8217;s wrong and/or find a new school. Why would she think that special education is the answer?</p>
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		<title>By: Awesome Mom</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Awesome Mom]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 05:47:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We were practically shoved not early intervention but I resisted and I was glad.  Our insurance covered every thing we needed and I did not feel right using services that I could have covered privately.  Plus I prefer the idea that I can pick who sees my child instead of having to be thankful for what I got.  Sometimes I think that there should be a test before some people have kids.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We were practically shoved not early intervention but I resisted and I was glad.  Our insurance covered every thing we needed and I did not feel right using services that I could have covered privately.  Plus I prefer the idea that I can pick who sees my child instead of having to be thankful for what I got.  Sometimes I think that there should be a test before some people have kids.</p>
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